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Tero
20 August 2002, 14:03
My wife's description of part of the trip:

We had a couple of great weeks in Finland. The weather cooperated for the most part. We had a couple of "hot" days, that is hot for the Finns, but 80-85 is nothing compared to the 100-105 + humidity that was here while we were gone. The one day that we thought we would go swimming it was cool, about in the 70s. So instead of swimming the kids did the traffic school in the park. They have cars the kids can pedal around an area with paved paths and stop sings etc. One teenager is the police for the school. The really little kids were doing stuff like driving the wrong way and driving on the sidewalk. The kids used their camp names.

Among the attractions were "Muumimaa," the amusement land near Naatali and "Muumilakso," which is a display about the Muumis in the library in Tampere. The former is sort of a village where the shops are named after the muumi charaters. They have a short play with some of the characters in it (life size) and people dressed up as the various characters wandering around the park. They are adults, so Pikku Myy is rather tall ! The buildings incude a replica of the Muumi house which includes the bridge in front and muumimammas root cellar. There is a model boat that is dubbed muumipapas sailing school. Its not in the water and the kids can crawl all over it. There is also an optional pirate island with the Muumimaa. You take a ferry to get there. There are various things around the island the kids can try to do, like walking on increasingly hard boards and ropes, presumably to prepare for climbing around on a ship. There is also a small village with some animals and homes so you can see how people lived in the old days. They have swings and stilts for the kids to try out. The pirates also did a play in an outdoor theater. It was easy enough to understand, even without knowing too much Finnish.

Speaking of plays, we also got to see "Peppi Pitkätossu" in the outdoor summer theater in Turku. They really knocked themselves out to make the play. The police officers were Swedish and really silly. They made friends with Pippi and kept coming to her to get candy. They also made fun of the robbers, they turned them into the Russian mafia with suits and all. Pippi's monkey was played by a little girl, so she only got to be in half of the play. It was great fun, since we knew the story so well, it didn't matter that we didn't understand everything.

One last day in Turku, we rented bikes in Ruissalo. Had to fix one from two junky kids bikes to get one working bike for our daugter. They gave that one to us for free, the other 3 we paid for.

We went to the amusement parks in both Tampere and Helsinki. In general I thought the one in Tampere was better. By American standards the rides are short and harmless. The tower at the Särkännniemi park in Tampere has a gorgeous view. We didn't go to the aquarium in Tampere, but we did see the one in Helsinki (which as a separate entrance fee from the Linnanmäki amusement park). It was a bit disappointing, because all of the critters were small. However, they had a whole room of seahorses, and that was interesting. Another interesting attraction in Tampere was the workers museum at the Amuri city block (wooden houses). It consists of a series of small cramped workers homes. They are furnished according to different periods from 1900 to the 1960s. There was also a bakery (not functioning) and a sauna. Some little kids (kids group from folk dance society) did a singing and dancing routine in the courtyard accompanied by a violin, some just PIIRILEIKKI. The food at this museum was workers food, bread around meat and piirakka, etc. It was good food.

We also visited Tallipiha (no charge, just shops)which is mainly a place to buy handcraft items. I was impressed by the quality of the workmanship. We bought a handmade doll for our daughter and a wooden cart and horse with two people in it for our son. The prices were about $25-$30. I think here something of that quality would cost at least $50. The city museum in Tampere is now in an old factory building Vapriikki. Our son got to practice some hockey shots there.

Skipped spy museum and Lenin museum.

Tero
20 August 2002, 14:05
Oh, the Tornado ride in Tampere is American class in upside down spiraling thrills. We did not ride that, and that line was long.

alo
20 August 2002, 14:59
I took five rides on the Tornado with my sons. Once with the youngest one in the front row, which is the best spot. The line was always long but it went quickly through. The waiting time wasn’t too bad because they played Red Hot Chili Peppers (the eldest one is growing the similar hair than the singer).

But I have to say the Cobra at Ratanga Junction in Cape Town is better than the Tornado. The max. speed on the Cobra is 90km/h and it takes 4G (Tornado: 75km/h and 3G).

The Frisbee was the second best experience at Särkänniemi. I had to force my wife there, she almost took a divorce but calmed down when I bought a big ice-cream for her.

Very nice, but earning Rands I have to say that too expensive.

Tero
20 August 2002, 15:56
Which one is Frisbee?

OK, here it is, under jännityksen etsijät
http://www.sarkanniemi.fi/
It swings. Probably shakes your intestines pretty well!

Both S. and Linanmäki have a water float ride. You only get a little wet and the one in Tampere is slower.

Muumimaailma is mostly for kids under 10
www.muumimaailma.fi

and closses in mid August except weekends. If you have some 12-15 year olds with you, send them directly to Väski, also at Muumimaailma, where the pirates are.

Eija
20 August 2002, 17:32
Originally posted by Tero
My wife's description of part of the trip:

So instead of swimming the kids did the traffic school in the park. They have cars the kids can pedal around an area with paved paths and stop sings etc. One teenager is the police for the school. The really little kids were doing stuff like driving the wrong way and driving on the sidewalk. The kids used their camp names.

Among the attractions were "Muumimaa," the amusement land near Naatali and "Muumilakso,.." some of the characters in it (life size) and people dressed up as the various characters wandering around the park. They are adults, so Pikku Myy is rather tall !

One last day in Turku, we rented bikes in Ruissalo. Had to fix one from two junky kids bikes to get one working bike for our daugter. They gave that one to us for free, the other 3 we paid for.

Skipped spy museum and Lenin museum.

You certainly were able to squeeze in a lot of activities for such a short visit! Very interestingly written travel story. I enjoyed it! Thanks, Tero's "better half"! :)

Tero
20 August 2002, 17:45
(I still have to get her permission to post what I already posted)

Puppe
20 August 2002, 18:08
We didn't go to the aquarium in Tampere, but we did see the one in Helsinki (which as a separate entrance fee from the Linnanmäki amusement park). It was a bit disappointing, because all of the critters were small.

Here (my flat being 200meters from the place) the local viherpiipertäjä folk complain that it is an awful thing to take fishes out of their natural environment and lock them inside. Green mothers were all over Helsingin sanomat saying they will never again bring their children to Linnanmäki if such an awful prison will be built there.

So they install only small fishes and claim, that they are too small to note that they actually live inside a small aquarium :p

Tero
20 August 2002, 18:21
Plus, this Sea Life has a whole propaganda section about evil things done by man.

Puppe
20 August 2002, 18:36
Yes, published replies on Helsingin sanomat usually talked about these good intentions to teach children about environment.

I am yet to visit the establishment. It is a private thing (at least partly owned by a multinational Sea Life company that builds similar places all over the world), while Linnanmäki itself is owned by a children wellfare society. That's why there is a separate entrance fee.

http://www.sealifehelsinki.fi
http://www.sealife.co.uk/

Eija
20 August 2002, 19:15
Originally posted by Puppe


So they install only small fishes and claim, that they are too small to note that they actually live inside a small aquarium :p

PETA would love to hear this!! :D

Puppe
20 August 2002, 19:28
I didn't know what is PETA, so I searched Google and found http://www.peta.org and also this
http://www.peta.org/alert/automation/AlertItem.asp?id=525


In preparation for the 2004 Olympic Games, it is feared that the Greek government will deal with the problem of stray animals by means of mass poisonings, expecially in Athens, where the games will take place. Poisoning animals is not uncommon in Greece. Local animal welfare groups and CIDAG, an international coalition of animal welfare groups, hope to develop long-term programs aimed at ending the overpopulation crisis. Spaying and neutering is not yet common in most Greek households, and abandonment rates are high.


Stray dogs are a HUGE problem in many towns of the former communist block (especially in Bucharest where Ceausescu wanted to demolish lot of houses in order to build a new palace for himself - people were forced to move to much smaller apartments and many were forced to leave their pet dogs to street) , and also in south like Greece. I think that they should just tell owners to mark their dogs somehow and kill all the others. It is not as if dog would be an endangered species or something???

Tuomo
22 August 2002, 17:24
I sometimes ponder why there are so many environmental associations all over the world, but so few humanitarian associations. This is probably because it's easier to complain about a local aquarium as if it really mattered after all than going to Africa or South America and really help PEOPLE. Of these two, the later one requires lots of guts and hard work, but the previous one just ability to join an association and perhaps a few demonstrations.

Tero
22 August 2002, 17:55
Humanitarians? Well, there is no shortage of humans, only sea horses and such. :rolleyes: :devil:

some human related protests
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=515&ncid=721&e=8&u=/ap/20020822/ap_on_re_af/earth_summit_protests_3

Puppe
25 August 2002, 18:56
(kyllä se Tuomo tietysti suomeakin ymmärtäisi...)

Well one old childhood friend of mine is an active member of Finland's Amnesty International and heads some anti-capital punishment activity group there. But because Finland doesn't use capital punishment, I wonder how they can make any difference there. Probably by organizing some e-mail/letter campaigns to the governor of Texas etc.

Here is a story written by her (in Finnish)
http://www.vihrealanka.fi/2001/5/kommentti.html

Tero
26 August 2002, 15:25
With environmental issues, there is a selfish, personal element to people's behavior. If you have certain principles and you cannot act according to them (products available to you as consumer, for instance), then those individuals are likely to protest.

There are very few people who want to save every person from material and other harm, even in Finland. It is easier to alter normal customs and practices by your example.

Puppe does not go to Sea Life, but goes to Linnanmäki, for reasons stated earlier. He is setting an example.

Setting an example is a very small, but effective way to mold behavior. Forcing people to change is more likely to lead to refusal or apathy.

Puppe
26 August 2002, 17:43
Puppe does not go to Sea Life, but goes to Linnanmäki, for reasons stated earlier. He is setting an example.

? I have not said that I don't go to Sea Life, only tht I have not been there yet. Also I haven't been in Linnanmäki this summer. Maybe already next summer ;)

It was the viherpiipertäjä folk, that wanted to boycott Linnanmäki.

But I agree that one should "act locally, think globally" whenever possible. It seems to me that there are lot of young people these days who at least want to "think globally", but for them it means generaly leftist ideals and bashing USA and globalisation. Then they use public transport without paying for a ticket and leave empty bottles at parks after their "picnic" :rolleyes:

Tero
28 August 2002, 13:57
OK, you are not viherpiipertäjä, only a pale green shade, and maybe some pink on the edges!:D

Tero
29 August 2002, 18:10
Renate is green:
http://www.progressiveears.com/forums/members/images/827thumb.jpg?cache=2488

Tero
30 August 2002, 19:56
from another message board:
"If you're ever in Edinburgh, you should eat at Kalpna, a vegetarian Indian restaurant. As the sign over the door says, "You do not have to eat meat to be strong and wise." It's a very pedestrian-friendly city, with sidewalks everywhere, and all the sidewalks are lined with shops. Probably like what American liberals are imagining when they talk about urban renewal and "fostering a sense of community." The spike-haired, dog-collared, multiply pierced druggies are fairly harmless, but you have to watch out for conservatively dressed older Scotsmen in flat caps, they can be quite belligerent. We were witnesses to a couple of verbal, near-physical assaults by such gentlemen. All the buildings in Edinburgh are made of stone and most are very old. You can really feel the weight of history pressing down on you. I could, anyway. "

Tero
25 September 2006, 18:28
Just reading this old thread of mine. When is the Walveranta trip to Finland going to happen? Ville might finally meet some of his supporters! Or whatever we are.

Ville
12 October 2006, 17:52
Just reading this old thread of mine. When is the Walveranta trip to Finland going to happen? Ville might finally meet some of his supporters! Or whatever we are.Ah, who knows. Unlikely this fall. Perhaps next summer. Next year March it will have been seven years since I visited Finland, and the previous visit (in the spring of 2000) was due to the funeral of my father, so it wasn't much of a vacation trip nor was there much time to actually look around (besides, it was bitterly cold, of course).