Onko green cardit ainoa keino?

[Tuomo]

Olen nähnyt usein Hesarissa mainoksia USA:n "green card" -arpajaisista. Onko arpajaisissa voittaminen ainoa tapa päästä töihin USA:han (tai opiskelemaan tms.)?

[Tero]

Opiskelemaan saa tulla kuka vaan.Varsinkin Graduate school tasolla tulee paljon ulkomaalaisia.Se on opiskelijaviisumi, mutta silla saa tehda tyota yliopiston piirissa, lehtorina ym.
Green cardin saa jos takalainen firma haluaa sinut toihin ja kay lapi aika kalliin byrokratian, jossa esitetaan etta sina olet parempi kuin kukaan muu, usalainen, hakija.Tilapaista tyota voi jarjestya jos firmalla on siteet esim. Suomeen. Harjottelijan hommia on myos olemassa lyhyiksi ajoiksi, en tieda mika viisumi.

[Tero]

Opiskelemaan saa tulla kuka vaan.Varsinkin Graduate school tasolla tulee paljon ulkomaalaisia.Se on opiskelijaviisumi, mutta silla saa tehda tyota yliopiston piirissa, lehtorina ym.
Green cardin saa jos takalainen firma haluaa sinut toihin ja kay lapi aika kalliin byrokratian, jossa esitetaan etta sina olet parempi kuin kukaan muu, usalainen, hakija.Tilapaista tyota voi jarjestya jos firmalla on siteet esim. Suomeen. Harjottelijan hommia on myos olemassa lyhyiksi ajoiksi, en tieda mika viisumi.

[Tuomo]

Tero: Miten esimerkiksi komennuksille lähetettävät toimittajat pääsevät maahan (tarkoitan lähinnä pysyviä kirjeenvaihtajia)? Eli onko kohtelu sama myös siinä tapauksessa, että suomalainen firma haluaa lähettää työntekijänsä Jenkkeihin?

[Tero]

Luulisin etta kirjeenvaihtajat ja taiteilijat/muusikot saa paremmin tyoluvan.Joskus voit olla firmasi muun maan laitoksessa/tehtaassa/toimistossa jos olet niinkuin konsultti ja palkkasi on edelleen maksettu Suomesta.

[Anni]

Tuomo, käyhän katselemassa emigrantti.fi-keskustelufoorumilla. Siellä ovat ihmiset kyselleet vastaavia -- ja viisumien kanssa puuhastelleet kertoneet kokemuksiaan niin täältä USA:sta kuin muualtakin päin maailmaa.

[Tero]

Viimeisessä AUn painetussa numeroa Viisumiarpajaisista. Voi osallistua jos on 12 vuotta koulua tai työkokemusta. Kuulemma tietoa: http://travel.state.gov
ja 202-331-7199 puhelimella
http://travel.state.gov/dv2001.html on se lottery lomake ym.

[This message has been edited by Tero (edited 13-09-1999).]

[Tero]

hansel toisessa taulussa kertoo seuraavaa:
I work at manufacturer in Wisconsin; part of my job is handling visas and green cards for the significant number of non-Americans we permanently employ.
If you're applying by yourself, yes, you sit outside the country and send papers after papers after papers to the INS, after which you might be denied.

If you do it the way my company does it, you come and start work, and the company lawyers (who have a flat rate for visas) start the paperwork. You're labelled a consultant for the six months it takes to fill out the paperwork properly, and no income taxes are deducted, though you're liable for them and all the trouble not paying can get you, so choose carefully whether or not to report that income. If company lawyers are handling it, you're almost guaranteed approval, since they know exactly how to fill in the blanks. After that, you're an papered employee.

Flat rates range up to about $3000, but none of the aggravation is yours. You legally don't have to be outside of the country, but if you're working without a visa, you're breaking the law. It's a relatively minor infraction with little chance of getting caught if you're not Mexican (or some other group the INS watches closely), but you're risking a permanent mark on a file at the INS which could forever fuck up getting legitimate papers.

What's important with visas is entering the country with them. When mine came through, I returned to Canada and came back through the border, offering papers to the great bureaucratic god. That's a required step.

There's no way to get a visa that's easy and cheap: it's one or the other. A standard, H-1B work visa lasts three years, and is good for two 2 year renewals.

Green cards, on the other hand, are a multi-year process, and (as I understand it), require one to have held a work visa previously. First, there's a labor certification process in which you first prove that there's no American available for the job: the job description is approved by three government agencies; the company posts the job offering in a well-known paper for at least three days, and is obligated to interview applicants in good faith; if no one applies who's qualified, you prove that you're qualified. Once that's complete, you get a police certificate (your criminal record, if it exists, from your homeland, or a statement saying you have none), a doctor's certificate (stating that you have no diseases for which you'd be denied entry, like AIDS or ebola), and the final application. Once that's approved, you're interviewed by the INS, and passing that, you get a green card. Our lawyer's bill for each is about $10,000, and employees for whom we do it sign an agreement stating that they'll work for us for at least three years, or pay that sum, pro-rated (100% if you quit right away or are fired for cause, 75% after one year, 50% after two, 25% if you quit after your third year, 0% after four).

There are other means to a green card, like company transfers, lotteries, and applying in labor-deficient areas, but I don't handle those so I can't get into it.

I'd say start the paperwork, and if he wants to visit and work black market (or as a consultant, if he's able to), that's his and your choice. But he'd have no health care, and no legal protection under the law. Best bet is to pay some lawyers. If he's applying directly, and mailing applications to the INS from Texas, even they'll know something's up.

[Ville]

Reality show offers potential green card (http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/08/06/greencard.game.reut/index.html) (CNN) ... porukka syö vaikka matoja! :shock: